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Treffen in Detmold --> 27.9. 20:00 Uhr.
by Cord Beermann 21 Sep '99

21 Sep '99

Hi. kurze Erinnerung: Am 27.9. um 20:00 Uhr ist wieder DeHoeLi/LUG-OWL-Treffen in Detmold im Neuen Krug. Eine Anfahrtsbeschreibung kann man unter http://www.lug-owl.de/wegbeschreibung.html finden. Bis dahin, Cord

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[ots.emailservice@newsaktuell.de: Software fuer Deutschland]
by Toens Bueker 21 Sep '99

21 Sep '99

FYI. DeTeMedien Telefonverzeichnis endlich auch für Linux. -- Linux. The dot in /.

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[zicari@ltt.de: Linux@work] ---> FREIKARTEN!
by Jan-Benedict Glaw 21 Sep '99

21 Sep '99

Hallo Ihr da draußen! Wie's aussieht, können wir 10 Freikarten für "linux@work" in Frankfurt bekommen. Deshalb 2 Fragen: 1. Wer hat Interesse und 2. wer fährt und kann andere , die interessiert und eher weniger mobil sind, mitnehmen? MfG, JBG ----- Forwarded message from Roberto Zicari <zicari(a)ltt.de> ----- Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 21:55:14 +0200 From: Roberto Zicari <zicari(a)ltt.de> Reply-To: zicari(a)ltt.de Organization: Logon Technology Transfer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: jbglaw(a)lug-owl.de Subject: Linux@work Hi! We would be happy to offer your Linux group 10 free tickets to attend Linux@work in Frankfurt next Monday (see below). If you wish to take this offer please contact Melanie Salm at salm(a)ltt.de, or tel. 06173-95 58 50 and simply tell her the names of the people. We will prepare the name badges. Best Regards Roberto Zicari LogOn --------------------------------------------- Linux@work Is Linux ready for business? Pan-European Tour `99: ----> Frankfurt, Sept. 27 - Zurich, Sept. 28 - London,Sept. 29 - Copenhaghen, Oct. 11 - Oslo, Oct. 12 - Stockholm, Oct.13 - Helsinki, Oct. 14 - Amsterdam. Oct. 15 Conference programs available at: http://www.ltt.de/linux.html --------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Fehler eingestehen, Größe zeigen: Nehmt die Rechtschreibreform zurück!!!

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Fahrgelegenheit?
by Alain Schroeder 20 Sep '99

20 Sep '99

Fährt jmd heute nach Bielefeld und streift dabei ganz zufällig den Stadtkern von GT? Dann würde ich mich gerne einhängen, da ich noch keine Fahrgelegenheit habe... Mail direkt an mich (ansonsten bekomme ich für den unnötigen Traffic vielleicht Flames...) oder GT/27672 wählen... cYa, - -- Alain -- - -- AdH: Wer hat mit Latein angefangen? (Alain meldet sich) AdH: Ich wußte es ist etwas faul mit ihnen.

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mutt und exim
by Thorsten Jaecks 20 Sep '99

20 Sep '99

so, ich bins nochmal, wie ihr seht, kann ich immer noch keine mails mit mutt verschicken, da in exim die FROM-zeile wohl dermaßen falsch ist, daß uni-bielefeld mich als spammer rausschmeißt. empfang klappt 100%ig... hab die man-page mehrfach gelesen (exim), aber irgendwie hab ich nicht richtig verstanden, wo ich meinen fehler beheben soll. wer weiß da mehr als ich? bdiv thorsten ******************************* Thorsten Jaecks * jaecks(a)gmx.de *******************************

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StarOffice CD?!
by Toens Bueker 20 Sep '99

20 Sep '99

Hi *, hat hier jemand auf der Liste eine 'offizielle' StarOffice-CD? Ich suche nach dem StarSchedule-Server, der offenbar nur auf der CD zu finden und nicht in der Version, die man downloaden kann, enthalten ist. Mir würde es auch reichen, wenn mir jemand die entsprechenden Dateien (ich glaube im Verzeichnis 'service') zusenden könnte. Tschö Töns PS.: ich habe keine Lust 14 Tage auf die CD zu warten - nur um dann festzustellen, daß das Zeuch nicht läuft -- Linux. The dot in /.

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mutt und graphischer login
by Thorsten Jaecks 20 Sep '99

20 Sep '99

hallo LUG, und danke erstmal für die hilfe mit mutt... ich kann jetzt auf jedenfall mails mit mutt empfangen, die mein proxy mit fetchmail geholt hat. allerdings hab ich ein problem damit, mails zu verschicken: d.h.,mutt verarbeitet alles richtig und sendet die mail an den proxy, wo sie in /var/spool/smail/input schlummert, und dann auch richtig versandt wird. allerdings erreichen meine mails nie ihr ziel. ich denke, es liegt an der absender-adresse, die in exim falsch eingestellt ist, so daß uni-bielefeld mich als spammer mit einer ungültigen adresse abweist. frage nun also, wo stelle ich die from-zeile korrekt ein (in exim)???, hatte auch schon überlegt, statt exim, sendmail zu verwenden. mein graphischer login klappt immer noch nicht, starte jetzt von hand. (benutzte xdm!!!) in der shell ist login problemlos möglich, nicht so hier. ich dank euch schon mal vorab, bis denne nun, thorsten

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CCNacht 11,12.Dez 99
by Stoehr, Norbert 20 Sep '99

20 Sep '99

Hallo allerseits, ich spiel mal Newsletter: Kartenvorverkauf für die 2. CCNacht ist angelaufen. http://www.ccnacht.de/presse/pm_hnf280899.html Fährt jemand hin? Norbert Stöhr @Mail: Norbert.Stoehr(a)gt-net.de Tel. dienstl.: 05241/822347

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[joey@kitenet.net: Announcing debconf, configuration management for debian]
by Florian Lohoff 20 Sep '99

20 Sep '99

Juhu, Fuer alle die schon immer drauf gewartet haben. Ein debian package fuer automatisiert installation oder zumindest um die installationsfragen zu umgehen oder eine einheitliche oberflaeche zu bieten bzw VOR der installation alle fragen zu stellen. Flo ----- Forwarded message from Joey Hess <joey(a)kitenet.net> ----- [...] X-Envelope-Sender: joey(a)kitenet.net Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:23:36 -0700 From: Joey Hess <joey(a)kitenet.net> To: debian-devel(a)lists.debian.org, debian-admintool(a)kitenet.net Subject: Announcing debconf, configuration management for debian Message-ID: <19990917112336.F20900(a)kitenet.net> Mail-Followup-To: debian-devel(a)lists.debian.org, debian-admintool Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.0pre2i Resent-Message-ID: <5Bmz9.A.jXF.Ido43@murphy> Resent-From: debian-devel(a)lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: <debian-devel(a)lists.debian.org> archive/latest/45087 X-Loop: debian-devel(a)lists.debian.org Precedence: list Resent-Sender: debian-devel-request(a)lists.debian.org Status: RO Content-Length: 6628 Lines: 145 This is a bit long, so I'll summarize: Debconf is a tool that packages can use to ask questions when they are installed. It allows various frontends, from dialog, to gtk to web pages to be used, and it also allows for non-interactive package installs, and allows packages to ask questions all at once, before any of them are even installed. I'm been working on debconf for about 3 months and it's finally ready to show to people. If you would like to try out debconf, simply add this line to /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://va.debian.org/~joeyh/ debconf/ There are a few packages in there modified to use debconf. Good examples include slrn, slrnpull, and sash. When you install these packages, they will use dialog (by default) to ask the questions they need to ask. Now, the long story..... Currently, if a package needs to prompt the user for input, it just does, using standard input and standard output to communicate with them. A few packages use things like dialog for a user interface, while most use bare-bones textual interfaces. There is little consistency between these interfaces, since they are each written from scratch. They use different methods to indicate default values, different ways to present lists of choices, and even prompt in different ways when the user just needs to hit enter after being shown a message. Many packages ask the user a series of questions with no way to go back to a previous question, or to start over. Most packages that prompt do so in the postinst, and so the user has to baby-sit an install, answering questions as they come up, and then waiting for some more packages to be installed and some more questions to arrive. There is no way to answer all the questions first and then let dpkg install everything unattended, and so installs are a long, drawn out process. Upgrades often take a long time as well, because many packages ask the same questions over and over each time they are installed. Those that don't have to store the user's last response somewhere, and they do this in a variety of different, inconsistent, ways. Moreover, there is no way to simply use default answers for all the questions asked, if you're in a hurry or don't want to be bothered with them, which has historically made the debian install a barrier to new users. The traditional way of asking questions has made some specialized uses of debian harder as well. Many experienced debian users would like to put "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" in a cron job, and have their system upgraded periodically to unstable. People working on clusters or other large-scale debian installations can't afford to answer the same questions over and over again on each machine, and have hacked together various ways around this. Finally, several distributions have appeared recently, based on debian but catering to inexperienced users. None of them want the user to see any questions at all when they install, and they have used various hacks to suppress the questions. It seems clear that we need something better to replace the traditional method of querying the user from a maintainer script. It needs to present a consistent user interface to the user. It needs to be able to prioritize questions so non-interactive installs are possible, as well as installs with all questions asked, or only the most important ones. It needs to be able to ask questions only once. And it would be nice if the questions could be stored in a database on a central machine and sent out to other machines in a cluster, so they need only be asked once for a whole cluster. In fall of 1998, Wichert Akkerman came up with a specification for a configuration management system that would address these needs. It was refined on the debian lists over the next several months, and the final specification is at http://www.debian.org/~wakkerma/config6/ . The specification is very flexible, allowing for multiple different back-end databases (using arbitrary database formats from SQL to plain text), that can be layered together and accessed over the network or locally. It also allows for a variety of user interfaces to be presented to the user. The maintainer scripts communicate with the back-end and front-end using a simple language. Debconf is an implementation of this specification. At this point it consists of a variety of front-end user interfaces (plain text similar to the traditional method, dialog based, web, and GTK). It doesn't yet include the flexible back-end database system from the specification. It is already fully usable as a consistent way to configure packages. As it stands now, debconf is usable along-side traditional packages, and packages that use debconf will behave just like normal packages except they use a consistent UI. Debconf also hooks into apt so if you use apt to install several debconf-aware packages at once, the packages will prompt for configuration information _before_ they are installed. An example is in order -- this is using debconf's plain text front-end. This really can't show off all of debconf's features, but it should give you the idea. root@gumdrop:~> apt-get install sash lynx Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following NEW packages will be installed: lynx sash 0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 26 not upgraded. Need to get 0B/1089kB of archives. After unpacking 2480kB will be used. Lynx Configuration ------------------ Please enter the default URL to use if none is given when invoking lynx. You must enter either a full URL (including the "http://", etc.) or an absolute pathname. What is lynx's homepage? http://debian.org/ Sash Configuration ------------------ The best way to use sash is to install it as root's login shell. Currently root's login shell is set to /usr/bin/zsh. Should sash be root's login shell? [yN] n Selecting previously deselected package lynx. (Reading database ... 41813 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking lynx (from .../lynx_2.8.2-3.1_i386.deb) ... Selecting previously deselected package sash. Unpacking sash (from .../archives/sash_2.1-5.1_i386.deb) ... Setting up lynx (2.8.2-3.1) ... Update-menus[31963]: further output (if any) will appear in /tmp/update-menus.31963 Setting up sash (2.1-5.1) ... root@gumdrop:~> I hope to upload debconf to unstable soon (once updated versions of menu and apt that work with it are released). -- see shy jo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-request(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Florian Lohoff flo(a)rfc822.org +49-5241-470566 ... The failure can be random; however, when it does occur, it is catastrophic and is repeatable ... 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Treffen in Detmold
by Ludger van den Boom 19 Sep '99

19 Sep '99

hallo zusammen ich würde gerne zum Treffen in Detmold kommen, bin aber leider zur Zeit nicht besonders Mobil und von Lemgo mit dem Fahrrad finde ich ein wenig zu weit. Sollte jemand aus Lemgo kommen und noch platz im Auto haben, könnte er/sie mich bitte mitnehmen GS Ludger -- mailto:boom@m-c-w.com mailto:ludger.v.d.Boom@gmx.net http://www.m-c-w.com Der ist nicht stark, der in der Not nicht fest ist. Salomo Spr.24,10

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